Thursday, August 28, 2008

Thoughts on Church

I have always been rather a skeptical human being, but have always believed that there had to be something bigger than me.

I was saved in a youth group when I was 16. The youth group was really an all city youth group that had more kids from other churches than the one that sponsored it. It was an amazing group and an amazing time in my life. I have heard many people comment about those years and how they wish the group now had that kind of fire. I am not sure what made it so special but it was definitely unique.

The church that sponsored the group came from a cessationist background. Which didn't mean much to me when I was 16. In fact it took me many years before I ever heard the term. But basically it means that they didn't believe the gifts of the Spirit were for today.

As I got older, I began to feel as if there was something more to this faith than I had yet to realize. That led me to a group in Montana that just so happened to be affiliated with Assembly of God. Now AG churches were of the opposite spectrum of the one I was saved in. They believed that the Spirit moved and did great works today and if you weren't "slain in the Spirit" at least once a week, you were not holy enough.

I began to realize that this was extreme as well. There had to be a middle ground somewhere.

While attending the group in Montana, I was introduced to music that was being made by a group of churches that called themselves the Vineyard. It would take me many years to find out truly what they were all about, but eventually I learned that the whole goal of the Vineyard was to find that "radical middle" as they called it.

I was fascinated by the movement and followed them for years before I ever attended one of their churches. I was deeply interested in the Toronto Blessing that engulfed a small Vineyard church in Toronto. The Blessing spread world wide and involved many churches. There was criticism about the types of manifestations that were happening. Many people outside and inside the Vineyard Movement felt that it was going too far. Consequently, there were many churches that left the movement and embarked on their own journey of faith.

Having spent the last ten years in the Boise area, I have had the privilege of being part of the Vineyard family in Boise and the rest of the Treasure valley. Tri Robinson is an incredible man that has managed to grow one of the biggest churches in the valley. Because of this, he along with Rich Nathan of the Columbus Vineyard have tremendous influence within the Vineyard movement and its direction.

Since the Toronto Blessing, Boise Vineyard and the Vineyard movement as a whole has shied away from most charismatic activity. They are afraid of abuses and thus don't want to participate at all. It seems as if the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. The radical middle is being missed for a style no different from Baptists or other mainstream evangelicals.

I am by no means proposing that we need to have some sort of charismatic happenings every meeting we have. But, what has set the Vineyard movement apart from many other denominations is its willingness to be a part of what the Spirit is doing. Could it be that if John Wimber was still alive, he would say goodbye to the movement he created and find where the Spirit is moving?

Wimber used to say that a movement has life for only about twenty years. The Vineyard is working on about twenty-five at this point. And I think John was right....
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Monday, August 18, 2008

Getting Settled


I think we are finally getting settled in our new house. At least we can walk across the floor without stepping on boxes or miscellaneous items that haven't found a home yet.


We are planning going to Yellowstone this weekend with the family. It will be the first time my children have seen the park and I am looking forward to seeing how they like it. They are excited, but scared. They are terrified that you won't be able to walk around with running into buffalo or elk. Although that is true to some extent, it obviously isn't as bad as they think!!


Next week three of my four chillens start school. Lem is 4th, Brayden 3rd and Abi is going into kindergarten. How did I get old enough to have a 4th grader!!! Time just keeps on moving.


Have a blessed day everyone.


P.S. Still haven't quite figured out what some the light switches go to....such a weird house.
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Thursday, August 7, 2008

Have We Changed?

I was reading Romans yesterday and went over the section that dealt with what people were like when they had denied God. Now keep in mind, this is a person that was writing about a civilization that existed 2000 years ago. Of course now we are more advanced than that. We have become more cultured and intellectual. We are definitely not as barbarian as those who lived two millenia ago.

Lets look at a few words that Paul used to describe people in his own time and how they are so far removed from anything we are today.


And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.
Rom 1:29
They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips,
Rom 1:30
slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31
foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32
Though they know God's decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.


Now I don't know about you, but I am so glad that I don't live in that society. They must have been awful. Thank God for enlightenment and advancement. We are so much better off. That is my thought for the day. Feel free to comment.
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Unpacked?

No. Not even close. We have so much crap. And even though we have a pretty big house, we have nowhere to put it.... Such is life.....
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